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NateDredge

I didn’t know that about Asimov dying from an AIDs infection contracted through a blood transfusion. In fact, while I knew he died ‘relatively young’ I had no idea how, I figured it was some illness or another. That’s rather interesting. Also I agree, I’m amazed at the mans shear volume of output, he really must have been writing nearly all the time.

On matters of religious comparison Mormons also don’t believe in a fire and brimstone hell. We believe in a sort of hell, buts its more of a purgatory in the sense that its not permanent (in all but a very few possible cases, which is debated by some inside the Church) and not necessarily all that unpleasant a place/state. It is were we believe the spirits of those who have not fully accepted, well for simplicity’s sake I’ll say the LDS Church, go to learn in the period between death and the millennial resurrection. Asimov’s points on the traditional conception of hell are well taken.

tomsheepandgoats

I didn't know it either, about his death, but only discovered it while reading up for this post. The family kept it quiet until several years after his death.

As for his writing, he supposedly stayed indoors with the shades drawn for days at a time, doing nothing but writing. Do you have any idea how much my wife will let me hear about it if I pull a stunt like that? Of course, his stuff sold like hotcakes. That helped, I'm sure.

Sacchiel

It's good Asimov had an impact in your life. I just bought a book of his for a future read.

Screech

I didn't realize all that about Asimov. I do ponder your statement about Athiests rejecting religion because of what they were taught.

We all make decisions based on our life experiences. I have always let my mind wander (it's still lost, I think). The more I do so the more I think that evolution is another religion.

The basic ideology is the same. The persecution suffered by a scientist who claims to reject evolution is very similar to bing disfellowshipped from a religion. Has removing God from the equation helped society at all?

I wonder how Asimov would have answered that question.

Romulus Crowe

Science has fundamentalists too.

Paranormal research is still seen as some kind of wacky lunatic fringe, yet string theory, dark matter (which nobody has ever seen yet is spoken of as fact) and things like the Higgs boson, the graviton and many, many other wild ideas are accepted. Even the theory that reality isn't necessarily real unles someone's looking at it. Part of quantum physics, that one.

The man who discovered apoptosis (cells that destroy themselves when damaged, rather than become cancerous) was effectively kicked out of the scientific community after his discovery. Now it's all OK, but far too late to save his career.

Often, new ideas are not simply tested and discussed, which is what should happen and what Science falsely says does happen, but the Moguls, the old school scientists, dismiss them and their sycophants follow suit. The new idea might be rubbish, or it might bne revolutionary. Either way, if it threatens to unseat a Mogul, it will be quashed.

Scientists are people, remember, and are therefore no more incorruptible than anyone else.

I don't know about evolution, I haven't studied the evidence in detail. What I will say (what most scientists are scared to say) is that evolution, if it does occur, cannot be proven to be independent of a guiding hand.

The origin of the universe cannot be proven to be independent of a God.

I think the evolutionists feel backed into a corner and are reacting. They might have some solid evidence for evolution, but push them and they'll react by denying all of religion. As I've said before, one does not necessarily preclude the other.

It's not the competing theories of creation and evolution that lead to problems, because they really don't need to compete. It's the fight between the two that leads to polarisation.

tom sheepandgoats

Romulus, I suspected there were many more examples like Semmelweis. You have the background to put your finger on a few of them. Thank you.

Another area, I think, is in "alternative" medicine. When Richard Nixon was in China (early 1970's) he saw surgery being performed on persons without Western anesthesia, acupuncture being used instead. He SAW it, and yet it was decades before Western medicine would concede (and they still do it only grudgingly and with numerous caveats) that acupuncture was anything more than sheer quackery.

I've probably said it before, but a favorite quote is from Max Planck: "People think new truths are accepted when the proponents are able to convince the opponents. Instead, the opponents of the truth gradually die, and a new generation comes along who is familiar with the idea."

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