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hugenoggin

It never stops... It truly is unfortunate that there are so many out there that spend their precious time attempting to drag honest, God fearing persons through the mud. Although the scriptures did foretell this, it is still disheartening at times. Whether it be the numerous apostate web sites that mislead through half truths and deception, or those that simply repeat what they've been told by those ones that are bitter and angry, the TRUTH is out there for honest hearted ones to find. I pray that those who have an axe to grind, like I used to, really come to their senses and realize the importance of following the true teachings of our Savior Jesus, and our Sovereign Lord Jehovah....

tom sheepandgoats

HN: I view it as a manifestation of Matt 24:48 - the master is delaying, and so the disgruntled slave takes to beating his fellow slaves, claiming he was misled, missed out on career advancement, wasted his time, stayed sober while everyone else partied, etc. Hence, the question Jesus asks at Luke 18:8 - "when the Son of Man arrives, will he really find the faith on the earth?"

There are costs involved in becoming a disciple, which is why Jesus advised "count the costs." The costs aren't monetary. If they were, the course might be more popular, since a lot of people are happy to just pay money for something they believe even half-heartedly. But the costs involve re-orienting one's life. Lots of people might do this for the short term. But the novelty wears off as time drags by.

Looking at matters this way helps take the annoyance out of those who "go apostate." It's just human. I admit I've been surprised by how many have taken this course, or at least by how vocal they've become, since one just can't sign up on a whim to be a Witness. It's not like "come forward and be saved!" Prepping involves a period of study and acclimation seldom lasting under a year. All the while, a person functions in general society as before, where he/she has plenty opportunity to carefully weigh and compare all they are learning and any life-changes they may make. That being the case, it's surprising for people to afterwards claim they were misled. But it does happen.

As you say, it is foretold. And it is human nature.

ChrisL

Unrepentant ones who get disfellowshipped often toss the "cult" bomb on their way out the door, especially if their actions have separated them from friends or family. Such ones will rarely admit they have broken up their own family. It's just more of the rebellious attitude that got them in trouble in the first place so I guess it's no surprise. It's human nature, I suppose, but it shows what is in the heart.

tom sheepandgoats

Every situation is different and it's hard to generalize. But we do live in a 'victim' society in which people are inclined to find a scapegoat.

Bill in Detroit

Geoffrey Jackson gave our dedication talk a few years ago (Kentfield / Detroit) and, as we have several Brothers who are avid fishermen, I half expected him to break out a rod for an afternoon of hooky. I gave him a pen set (I make them) and you would have thought I had given him something fully beyond price. And maybe I did. I doubt if he gets handmade gifts from adult men very often.

He's a nice guy. I hope to see him again ... maybe 'talk shop' over an extra coffee or two.

But a cult leader? Naw ... hair's the wrong color.

Jason Chamberlain

Tom -- in response to your point about those who "go apostate" one could point out from the other side that what you wrote fits very nicely with most traditional definitions of a cult. I was involved in an organization that functioned very much like that. If someone left it was always because they were unrepentant sinners and not because there was anything wrong with the leadership.

I realize that being a member of the body of Christ is like this too. So it comes down to who you trust as your leaders. If you trust the men making the rules then you will naturally see yourself in the right and others as apostate. I just want to make an observation from a non-JW (apostate if you will) perspective.

Rosie

I was thinking the other day of the apostate slander connected with our dear brothers taking the lead; I had to laugh because by all accounts we have managed in Russell, Rutherford, Franz and Brother Knorr managed to get five men that were guilty of every conceivable sin known to man. Really, I want to bore my own eyes out sometimes with the things I've stumbble across, but then I've stumbled across so many wonderful "Witness sites" its almost worth the slander, the accusations, the downright lies I read.

As for our GB, I recall thinking as Oprah's cameras went through the FLDS ranch, showing their leaders picture on the walls were others would have Abraham Lincoln or Elvis, that 99.9% of Witnesses wouldn't recognise members of our GB if they sat next to them on the bus. It would be funny if it wasn't so unfunny.

martyn

Sadly, the term Cult gets casted to anyone who doesn't conform for religious reasons. I have never seen JW's as a "cult" even though family members who were disfellowshipped may as mentioned above concern it as one, but i think that is their own doing rather than the JW community. I think it the conforming though, older generations will always assume you were part of a cult due to the lack of influence in WW2. Younger generations tend to listen to those who have fallen wayside. But do not just think that it soley applies to JW's. I attend and am actively part of a CoE protestant church. Some would think that we should led a happy life there. Although, My wifes family (Catholic) often refer to our church, our faith as Mickey Mouse and the Mickey Mouse cult.

And the only real views is because its different and we didnt conform to what they wished is the correct action.

But i completely agree with your comments "Every situation is different and it's hard to generalize. But we do live in a 'victim' society in which people are inclined to find a scapegoat."

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